Obama Still Spinning: A NAFTAgate Update

First, a little explanatory background: CTV actually went with two Obama-Canada-NAFTA stories last week.  First, on Wednesday, the story was that an Obama advisor had told the Canadian Embassy--which is located in Washington--that Obama's NAFTA talk was just political hot air.  The Canadian Embassy issued a strong denial.

Then, on Thursday, CTV ran either a new story or, if appearances aren't deceiving, a corrected version of an original story that had misplaced some facts.  In the new story, Obama's chief economic advisor Austan Goolsbee had told the Canadian Consulate General--in Chicago--that Obama's NAFTA talk was just political hot air.

I think that accounts for the curiously similar denials issued on Friday by Goolsbee - "The story is totally inaccurate" - by Obama spokesman Bill Burton - "This story is not true" - and by Obama himself - "The story is not true."  That way, the three could talk about CTV's original and apparently inaccurate Embassy story, call it "not true," and forget to mention that the second story was right on the money.  You also see hints of this in the other part of Obama's Friday formulation - "The Embassy denied it."  Or as he told WKYC-TV in Cleveland:

"The Canadian Embassy clarified it by saying it's not true and our office said it's not true," Obama continued, "and it's important for viewers to know it's not true."

You would have to be pretty naive to think that the Obama camp didn't already know there were two stories when they issued their "the story is not true" denials on Friday.  But it's beyond naive to think that, today, they are still thinking that this is a story about an Obama staffer talking to the Canadian Embassy. Not after AP reports that Goolsbee met with the Canadian Consulate General, and had this to say about a named Canadian official's memo about the meeting:

"Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign," the memo said. "He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans."

However, since most folks aren't far enough down in the weeds to grok the Canadian Embassy-Canadian Consulate distinction, as it pertains to this story, there's still mileage in that there Canadian Embassy dodge!  As Obama demonstrated in responding to press questions this morning:

Let me just be absolutely clear what happened, when I gave you that information, that was the information I had at the time. The Canadian Consulate in Chicago contacted one of my advisers, Austan Goolsbee, on their own initiative, invited them down to meet with them. He met with them as a courtesy. At some point they started talking about trade and Nafta and the Canadian Embassy confirmed that he said exactly what I have been saying on the campaign trail.

Yes, the Canadian Embassy did, in fact, "confirm" something like that, for whatever reason they may have had to do such a thing.  What you forget to mention, however, Senator, is that the Canadian Embassy wasn't there and has no idea what Goolsbee said, and that a Canadian Consulate staffer who was there taking notes has said that Goolsbee called your NAFTA stump position "political positioning."

Finally, let's make a point of comparison.  You're excusing yourself from the, um, misstatements you have been making on this subject because "that was the information I had at the time."  Now, even assuming extremely generously that you did not in fact know about the second story when you issued your denials on Friday, what exactly was it that allowed you to be so very positive in your denials?  After all, Senator, you didn't say "The story is not true so far as I know," or "I have no knowledge of anyone in my staff saying any such thing to the Canadian Embassy."  Instead, we heard this:

Sen. Obama: "It's important for viewers to understand that it was not true." Anchor: "So, completely inaccurate, did not happen, end of discussion." Sen. Obama: "It did not happen.
 

And in fact your campaign spokesperson Burton went even farther when he said:

This story is not true. There was no one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere, who said or otherwise implied Obama was backing away from his consistent position on trade.

Now let's compare the regard for truth apparently held by you and Mr. Burton, who seems to have felt that he could speak reliably for "[every]one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere," to what Clinton spokesperson Harold Wolfson had to say when asked whether the Clinton campaign had been behind the "native garb" photo of Senator Obama that was posted on Drudge last week:

We have over 700 people on this campaign and I'm not in a position to know what each one of them may or may not have done. ... I'm not in the position to ask 700 people to come in and answer questions about it. To put this as clearly and simply as I can: I was not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and did not know anything about it.

I suspect Mr. Woodson was in absolutely the same position at that time to speak for "[every]one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere" as was Mr. Burton when he did, in fact, universally speak for all.  While Mr. Woodson properly restricted himself to knowable facts, Mr. Burton obviously voted for shooting the story down first and finding the facts whenever, if ever.  That looks to me like two campaigns operating on different ethical standards. . . .

NOTE:  My apologies for failing to include links to some of my source material, but I am trying to jam this thing out during my lunch break.  Everything is true, and in the news recently.  Google away.



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Re: Obama Still Spinning: A NAFTAgate Update (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for the update!
Of course Obamabots are claiming the response from the Canadian government today officially ENDS the story.
They don't acknowledge the Canadians admit a memo from a meeting that Obama claimed never occurred.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:03:06 PM EST

Re: Obama Still Spinning: A NAFTAgate Update (none / 0)

Goolsbee has admitted he had a conversation; he's just saying they mischaracterized what he said. This is a staffer taking minutes in a non-campaign-related meeting, putting them into a memo for internal circulation. It's not hard to see a warning along the lines of, "Don't take what you see on TV too seriously; Obama wants labor and environmental protections, but is for free trade", morphing into what the memo says - and the memo isn't a fraction as damning as the original CTV story.


by mattw on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:40:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama Still Spinning: A NAFTAgate Update (2.00 / 3)

No. Obama himself said that a meeting: "Did not happen."


by MediaFreeze on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:14:15 PM EST
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Re: Obama Still Spinning: A NAFTAgate Update (none / 0)

There's no question asked, so we don't know what he's denying, and when.


by mattw on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:31:15 PM EST
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Re: Obama Still Spinning: A NAFTAgate Update (1.50 / 2)

Obviously Obama is a liar.   He lies so easily that it is disturbing.  He is just not presidential material when he is clearly trying to make people think something he knows is not the reality.  What an act!  Isn't he just so cute with his big ears and all?


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:09:49 PM EST

Canadian Parliament slams Embassy (none / 0)

The Canadian Parliament has slammed the embassy for mishandling the memo and this issue:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eLJJ88HTiX8

And the embassy has issued a statement:

Washington, D.C., March 3, 2008 -- The Canadian Embassy and our Consulates General regularly contact those involved in all of the Presidential campaigns and, periodically, report on these contacts to interested officials. In the recent report produced by the Consulate General in Chicago, there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA. We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect.

The people of the United States are in the process of choosing a new President and are fortunate to have strong and impressive candidates from both political parties. Canada will not interfere in this electoral process. We look forward, however, to working with the choice of the American people in further building an unparalleled relationship with a close friend and partner.

So, what started out with:

Within the last month, a top staff member for Obama's campaign telephoned Michael Wilson, Canada's ambassador to the United States, and warned him that Obama would speak out against NAFTA, according to Canadian sources.

(original CTV story)

Has now devolved into:

"Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign,'' said the memo, obtained by The Associated Press.

"He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans.''

And even that is a staffer's interpretation in meeting notes, which Goolsbee says are a mischaracterization.

Pretty far from a direct phone call to warn them about rhetoric to a staffer's memo about a non-campaign-related meeting where the topic happened to come up.


by mattw on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:30:00 PM EST

Re: Canadian Parliament slams Embassy (2.00 / 1)

I can agree to your explanation but why did Obama emphatically said "Did not happen"? And then Burton claimed the same.

Why did they lie?


by Sandeep on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:08:02 PM EST
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Re: Canadian Parliament slams Embassy (2.00 / 1)

Exactly.

When asked if a meeting happened Obama himself said: "It did not happen."


by MediaFreeze on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:13:01 PM EST
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Re: Canadian Parliament slams Embassy (2.00 / 1)

I think Obama there is talking about the original CTV story, where he denies, "A senior official from the Obama campaign made a phone call to the Canadian embassy to warn them that his upcoming talk on NAFTA was just talk."

There was no truth to that.

I've seen a longer clip of this video. I want to see the part that includes the question and I want to know WHEN the video is from.


by mattw on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:22:52 PM EST
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Re: Canadian Parliament slams Embassy (none / 0)

It depends on the context and the timing. I think the original denials were simply because CTV claimed something that was just dead wrong - that someone in the obama campaign (implication: under the direction of Obama) called the embassy to "warn" them. It was wrong enough that Goolsbee's meeting may not have come up. (Especially if you assume that the way they characterized it was wrong to begin with)

If we're talking about before we realized it was Goolsbee rather than Axelrod or Plouffe, and it was the consulate rather than the embassy, then I think they figured out what happened and Burton said:


Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Goolsbee's visit was not as an emissary from the campaign, but as a professor from the University of Chicago. He was not authorized to share any messages from the campaign, Burton said.

Burton, who was on the call while Goolsbee described his visit to the AP, said, "It all boils down to a clumsy, inaccurate portrayal of the conversation."

If there's something that contradicts the timeline, let me know. My perception is:

(1) CTV original
(2) Strong denials
(3) CTV changes to consul, now a meeting not a phone call.
(4) Campaign still busily denying (1)
(5) Memo leaks to press, details are out
(6) Campaign says, ok, he had that meeting, but it wasn't a call, it wasn't official campaign business, and the staffer who took notes took bad notes

Anyhow, depending on where in this timeline we are, I think Obama's campaign honestly believed the story was just garbage at first.


by mattw on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:19:50 PM EST
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That's all pretty generous (none / 0)

But (4) is just too much of a stretch.  The wording of Friday's denials, and Obama's continued use of the Embassy dodge today, make it clear enough that the campaign has understood quite well right straight along that there were two stories and they could pretend to deny both by denying one.

Besides, let's just knock all the "cover-up" aspect out of it and look at the facts:  

(1) Obama's chief economic advisor met privately with Canadian officals.  

(2) AP has got hold of a memo written by a Canadian official describing the meeting, and the memo says that the Canadians were told that Obama's NAFTA campaign rhetoric is just political posturing that won't translate into policy.

(3) The Obama campaign confirms the meeting, but says the memo got the details wrong.

Obviously, the memo, which is based on notes taken on the scene by a disinterested person, can't be knocked out of play merely because an interested party claims it's not entirely accurate.  The memo's author, by the way, has not spoken to the press, nor have any other attendees of the meeting.  Given the Canadian government's obvious and understandable effort not to piss Obama off, as evidenced by the unequivocal denials from the Canadian Embassy and other high government officals (who weren't present at the meeting), support for the memo's veracity could be read into that silence.  It stands to reason that Canada would have produced the attendees already if they were of a mind to contradict the memo.

There rarely fails to be a real story behind such a striking pattern of non-denial denials as has issued from the Obama campaign on this one.  I refer you to the Bush White House's Plame leak "denials" for another good example.


by Trickster on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:36:04 PM EST
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Re: That's all pretty generous (2.00 / 1)

Your "facts" aren't really facts. We can read the memo, certainly, but I'd correct this to be:

(1) Obama's chief economic adviser met privately with canadian diplomats, though not for campaign business.

(2) The AP has got ahold of a memo written by a staffer to a canadian official (not the official), and the memo says that the adviser said to "not take out of context" what they saw during the political process and that "rhetoric does not translate directly into policy". It doesn't mean it is empty words; a warning not to take sound-bite driven politics as policy canon isn't bad advice.

(3) Yes.

Even if the memo were verbatim what the adviser had said, it's not particularly damning. Obama has never been "against NAFTA"; he's just said it needs work. Ironically, there's no real difference that I've ever detected between Clinton and Obama on NAFTA. Obama slams her as supporting it in the past, and backs it up with a bunch of her speeches and her book. Clinton slams him as being "against it" in public and not in private, as backed up by the canadian meeting. I think they both think free trade is a necessity and that our agreements shouldn't give away farm just because other countries accept weaker labor/environmental standards. Warning an ally that campaign rhetoric may gloss over nuances isn't scandalous. The implication that Obama was intentionally saying he was going to say something he didn't mean isn't borne out by the evidence so far.


by mattw on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:21:19 PM EST
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see what chris bowers has to say.... (2.00 / 0)

at openleft.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=4317

at least worth considering folks.....


James
by james c on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:09:10 PM EST

Re: see what chris bowers has to say.... (none / 0)

Thanks for that post. I've always thought Obama "warning" Canadians he was going to lie to Americans just stretched credulity. Simply put, his campaign just isn't that dumb.


by mattw on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:23:45 PM EST
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I think Bowers has it bass-ackwards (2.00 / 1)

That quote could also be read, especially with the "Mr. - Senator" verbal stumble, as an unintentional insult that awkwardly wiggled its way into what was meant as an apology.  That reading probably wouldn't be the first to occur to me, except for the fact that other events in this chain make it seem as if the Canadian government is doing everything it can to get Obama off the hook.

Canada has denied at various levels of government up to the very top--except for at the Consulate General level, where exist the only folks who were actually present at the Goolsbee meeting--that Obama's campaign walked back from his NAFTA position in a meeting with Canadians, and that includes denials from persons who really wouldn't have much of an idea of what happened.  I have been reading the tea leaves on this as evidencing a strong and very sensible desire on the part of the Canadian government not to do or say anything that will piss off the guy who is the betting favorite right now to be the next American President.  From Canada's perspective, that would be like lighting a match because you want to count your piles of gunpowder in the dark.

I'd be interested to know if anything further beyond Bowers' quote was said, but those lines standing alone don't convince me that Canada, at least at the highest levels of government, isn't on Obama's side on this one.  I think Canada wants this story to go away.


by Trickster on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:29:40 PM EST
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