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Palin: Hillary is a "whiner"

by ragekage, Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:15:42 PM EST

Short, sweet, and brutal:

Palin talked about what women expect from women leaders; how she took charge in Alaska during a political scandal that threatened to unseat the state's entire Republican power structure; and her feelings about Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn't support a woman, but didn't like Clinton's "whining.")

You go, PUMAs! Show us you're really cutting off your nose to spite your face!

Tags: Palin, HIllary (all tags)

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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 3)

can you give a source for the quote please

Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.

by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:20:21 PM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

It's from Newseek:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190

by johnrarch on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:35:26 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

Basically, she acknowledges that Hillary and other female politicians are treated unfairly by the media. But then she says women should just shut up and accept it that they're treated unfairly. Talk about anti-feminist...

Q: When you look at coverage, when you listen to the conversations, what do you see?

Palin: Well you know I think fair or unfair, the... and I do think it is a more concentrated criticism that Hillary gets on so many fronts. I think that's unfortunate. But fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it, really. I mean, you gotta plow through that. You have to know what you're getting into. Which, I say this with all due respect to Hillary Clinton, and to her experience, and to her passion for changing the status quo also, but when I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate, with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or you know, maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think that doesn't do us any good, women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country. I don't think it bodes well for her, a statement like that, because again, fair or unfair it is there. I think that's reality. And I think it's a given, I think people can just accept that she is going to be under that sharper microscope. So be it. I mean, work harder, prove yourself to an even greater degree that you're capable, that you're gonna be the best candidate, and that of course is what she wants us to believe at this point. And so it bothers me a little bit hearing her bring that attention to herself on that level.

(I'd be very curious to find out exactly what statement by Hillary she was referring to).

by Hatch on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:40:45 PM EST
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Good lord! (none / 0)

She can't even frame a coherant thought.

by Mystylplx on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:34:40 PM EST
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Re: Good lord! (1.00 / 2)

Oh stop!

by trixta on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:47:03 AM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 1)

ALL I CAN SAY..

Thank fucking God he didn't pick:

Kay Bailey Hutchison
Condolessa Rice
Elizabeth Dole
Olympia Snowe
Susan Collins

Thank fucking GOD!

by johnrarch on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:44:53 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 1)

KBH would have actually been scary. Good thing her hate for fetuses got in the way.

by mnl1012 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:00:42 PM EST
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Have you ever seen KBH on the stump? (2.00 / 1)

Pressure is not KBH's friend. She would've been ripped to shreds by Biden in the first five minutes of the debate, and that's if they hadn't jettisoned her after her 19th (nervous breakdown) miscue under the heat of the press' kliegs.

I will give you that Palin is much easier, however. Her inexperience isn't even sitting well with the beltway blowhards. And then there's the unbelievable statement from her communications director to a reporter from the Alaska Daily News about private emails in her office the other day that sounds way too familiar.

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/129950

by Poor Yorick on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:12:14 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

I seriously was scared that he was going to pick KBH. McCain-Hutchison probably would have been the toughest possible ticket to beat.

by Dreorg on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:08:26 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

Don't forget Rep. Nancy Johnson (R-CT).

Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.

by AZphilosopher on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:15:15 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

You are so right. Hutchison and Snowe, in particular, would have been real trouble. This pick just makes him look careless and impulsive.

by Thaddeus on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:14:54 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 2)

As a Hillary supporter, that blurb is interesting.

Where'd it come from?

If you had everything, where would you put it?

by wasanyonehurt on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:20:29 PM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

What do you think of our Democratic ticket?

by IowaMike on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:32:39 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

I'm great with it now. Though I would have preferred Biden at the head of the ticket.

My dream ticket would have been Clinton-Biden or Biden-Clinton as a second choice.

My overarching thought (pretty bitter actually) is how could Obama be the custodian of allowing the Republicans the position in history to possibly get the first woman elected on a ticket with what Democrats throughout history have done for equal rights for all. . . I will do what I can simply to prevent that from occurring. He should have picked her, end of story.

If you had everything, where would you put it?

by wasanyonehurt on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:50:22 PM EST
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Palin not ready (none / 0)

The republicans have 2 simple defenses for the "Palin not ready" meme

Democrats never think that women are ready
Sure Palin is not ready, but neither is Obama & Palin is atleast 1 step away from becoming a CiC.

by gaf on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:14:52 PM EST
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Re: Palin not ready (none / 0)

Our response:

Obama has shown better judgement in the past than McCain and has actually shown any position, unlike Palin. And Obama has Joe Biden to back him up. Who backs up Palin if she has to step in?

by TheUnknown285 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:18:06 PM EST
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Re: Palin not ready (none / 0)

Judgement is soooo subjective.

by hairspray on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:07:26 AM EST
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Re: Palin not ready (none / 0)

They've been pushing on TV the idea that she has more "executive" experience as a governor of Alaska than Biden and Obama have.

...I don't really think that one will fly, but it'll be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

by randomscientist on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:34:46 PM EST
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Re: Palin not ready (2.00 / 1)

Personally, I'd respond by posting beauty queen pics. Seems to take the air out of the Republican's sails, (at least the Repubes here in the office).

They're as freakin' baffled as we are, honestly.

"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder

by Stipes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:01:57 PM EST
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Re: Palin not ready (2.00 / 2)

How about just list all of the cities that have a larger population than Alaska? And list all the cities that have a larger economy than Alaska?
And actually, Obama has as much "executive" experience as Palin, as he has led this campaign for 18 months (about the same amount of time she has been governor.)
He's done a pretty good job. What have we heard lately about Alaska?
Oh yeah, indictments and corruption.

by EvilAsh on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:34:05 PM EST
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Re: Palin not ready (none / 0)

Well, that would fly until you realize that the Alaskan legislature only meets two times a year.
Also, Palin just passed into law the highest budget in state history.
Bush was a two term governor of Texas, but that legislature only work about 150 days out of the year.

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:05:40 PM EST
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Re: Palin not ready (2.00 / 1)

So the Republican response to "Palin is not ready" is "yeah, we know?"

gaf, you missed your calling: you should be a Republican strategist. You'll earn your nickname in no time at all.

If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.

by Jess81 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:37:06 PM EST
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Um, sorry, no. (none / 0)

He picked who he felt most comfortable about governing with. Someone he could trust, someone who has a personal story that compliments his own and is genuinely good. Frankly the Clinton family story is tough for some to swallow. Contrast Biden's story, particularly regarding the tragic end of his first marriage, with McCain. Okay, whatever. Biden was Obama's choice to make and he had to make his decision because surprise surprise he won.

And it is a brave decision because it would have been a landslide guaranteed for Dems with Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama.

I will wear my heart upon my sleeve For daws to peck at

by Iago on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:42:25 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

"My overarching thought (pretty bitter actually) is how could Obama be the custodian of allowing the Republicans the position in history to possibly get the first woman elected on a ticket..."

No. Democrats still have "the position in history to possibly get the first woman elected on a ticket..." Remember Geraldine Ferraro?

by Mystylplx on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:39:01 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 2)

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190

And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.

by thatpurplestuff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:56:16 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 4)

It is from Newsweek. Good find, ragekage

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190

by mydoubled on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:24:03 PM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 1)

Again, good catch. I checked the Newsweek site, complete with video - it doesn't have Palin saying "Hillary's just whining," per se, but it does have her saying that she doesn't like it when a woman candidate says things that could be construed as being a "whine." Take it for what you will - it doesn't look all that damning to me, but it doesn't do Palin any favors, especially in trying to overtly reach out to Hillary's supporters.

When I grow up, I want to be a superdelegate!

by robitude on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:32:48 PM EST

Noted by Rachel Maddow (none / 0)

First McCain's chief economic advisor calls America a "nation of whiners" and then it's revealed that his VP pick called Hillary Clinton, during her historic campaign, a whiner.

Well done!

"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008

by BobzCat on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:49:15 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 7)

Rage,

This pick is a fucking disaster.

God, I love it!

They pulled a Dan Quayle. She's killed the inexperience attack meme. She's tightly tied to the Big Oil meme. She's a far right, base shoring up pick.

Next we will have her old Beauty Queen pictures swarming the intertubes.

This is freakin' fantastic. McSame pulled a boner. Beautiful.

"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder

by Stipes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:34:15 PM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 3)

I can't wait until I see Kristen Wiig putting on the accent to play Sarah Palin, and I suspect Wiig can't wait either.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:36:51 PM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 5)

Round One: Change vs. Experience

Winner: Obama

Round Two: Change vs. Change

Winner Obama McBush is NOT Change Palin is NOT change Republicans are NOT Change

by venician on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:41:54 PM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 4)

It's not about change OR experience, it's about judgment, those two factors simply inform that underlying quality.

Mccain, today, has shown us that he is utterly devoid of judgment, and instead is more than willing to allow his right-wing blogger campaign advisors to make his decisions for him.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:49:18 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 3)

She's not Romney, she's worse. Because at least Romney we knew could govern and handle complex issues.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:50:17 PM EST
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Direct Link To Video (none / 0)

Courtesy of rotofo over at Kos:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link /bcpid1691028268/bclid1759767670/bctid17 60440838

When I grow up, I want to be a superdelegate!

by robitude on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:04:14 PM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 2)

Hey, Ragekage, is your screen name a reference to the Smashing Pumpkins? If so, then not only are you a good investigative blogger, but you have good taste in music.

by TheUnknown285 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:07:20 PM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (2.00 / 1)

This Smashing Pumpkins fan concurs.

When I grow up, I want to be a superdelegate!

by robitude on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:32:15 PM EST
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I like the pumpkins too, but (none / 0)

I read it as a Tenacious D reference, which I also like, perhaps even more in this context :)

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire

by kydoc2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:42:53 PM EST
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Re: I like the pumpkins too, but (none / 0)

I always have the "D" in mind too when I think of Ragekage.

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:50:08 PM EST
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Re: I like the pumpkins too, but (2.00 / 1)

I think of the Pumpkins' song "Bullet with Butterfly Wings," which includes the famous line, "Despite all my rage, I'm still just a rat in a cage."

by TheUnknown285 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:03:54 PM EST
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It occurs to me... (2.00 / 2)

That if in the course of a VP debate if Gov. Palin were to bring up Sen. Clinton and her historic candidacy, this statement on "whining" is something Sen. Biden could bring up.

Were Gov. Palin to go even further and compare her candidacy to that of Sen. Clinton then I say ol' Joe lower the boom and use the classic:

"Gov. Palin, I served with Sen. Clinton, I know Sen. Clinton, you madam are no Hillary Clinton. Not even close."

Oooooh... I can only hope.

(with apologies to Bentsen)

by CanuckinMA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:12:28 PM EST

I was just thinking that. (none / 0)

Lloyd was so awesome there.

The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:16:43 PM EST
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Re: It occurs to me... (none / 0)

Wasserman Schultz already used it th morning. Sorry , don't have a link.

If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.

by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:32:35 PM EST
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Re: It occurs to me... (none / 0)

Almost restores my faith in DWS.

by TheUnknown285 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:16:41 PM EST
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Whining (2.00 / 3)

Hillary's doing precious little whining these days, Sarah.

The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:14:32 PM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

Great catch, Rage. Something tells me either Maddow or Olberman (or both) will be running this quote heavily tonight.

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:52:06 PM EST

Hillary worked to oust political criminals too (none / 0)

She helped remove the man who once was the biggest GOP crook of all time, Tricky Dick Nixon, from the WH.

Hillary not only has more courage and brains, she doesn't back GOP criminals.

by Betsy McCall on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:53:08 PM EST

PALIN IS NO HILLARY CLINTON. (2.00 / 1)

I know Hillary Clinton, and Palin is NO Hillary Clinton. I did not intern for Hillary's Senate Office in DC because of her name, her gender, her state. I campaigned for her because I saw her in action all those years ago, and most of us who remember the 90s grew up with her as our feminist icon.

I dont have anything against Palin because I dont know her. But i disagree with everything she stands for, because they stand in the way of everything Hillary has fought for in her life.

As of just 24 months ago, Palin agreed with Obama's plan. Now it's been scrubbed from her website.
See Cached version:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wbC GTUeD1r0J:www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php%3 Fid%3D1384+palin,+obama,+energy&hl=e n&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

by iamold on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:06:14 PM EST

History in the making (1.00 / 2)

In reference to "whiner" - IMO, accusations of racism toward Bill and Hillary Clinton are a lot worse than being called a whiner.

This is getting interesting. I didn't think McCain would make such a bold move. Of course, Palin doesn't replace Clinton, but whether it's Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin, history will be made. Thats great.

by soyousay on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:36:17 PM EST

Re: History in the making (none / 0)

"accusations of racism toward Bill and Hillary Clinton are a lot worse than being called a whiner."

Do you have a quote to back that up?

If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.

by Jess81 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:42:31 PM EST
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Re: History in the making (2.00 / 1)

Katrina Tears.

by dtaylor2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:53:28 PM EST
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Progressive site proof (none / 0)

Someone got rid of my progressive site proof so here it is again

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12 /obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html

by soyousay on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 08:12:50 AM EST
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Just wondering (none / 0)

Is the primary ever going to end for you? Did you get so addicted to the energy and conflict and confrontation of those months that you need to keep reliving it over and over at this site?

Or are you just trying to keep alive your own resentments, and keep them stirred up in others?

Do you really think pushing these same arguments over and over is constructive in some way? Do you think it's going to bring about some kind of change in attitude or behavior among anyone that matters? Or do you just like hearing yourself talk?

I mean, seriously: what's your purpose here? I mean that sincerely. Because this is rapidly getting very, very old.

"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008

by BobzCat on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:21:29 PM EST
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His/her purpose is to make it rapidly grow (none / 0)

old, then to keep doing it.

And to make statements that serve the purpose of incrementally lowering the Dem chances in Nov.

Jerome Armstrong likes that on his site, because he also wants to be proven right by destroying the Dem ticket. Otherwise he would do something about it.

Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics

by chrisblask on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:24:26 AM EST
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Re: Just wondering (none / 0)

Is the primary ever going to end for you?

The ending of the primary doesn't change what was said and done. The Republicans know this; they've been using clips from Biden and Clinton against Obama.

Did you get so addicted to the energy and conflict and confrontation of those months that you need to keep reliving it over and over at this site?

Being a centrist must make me more able to see all points of view.

Or are you just trying to keep alive your own resentments, and keep them stirred up in others?

Since I'm not star struck like you, I can acknowledge that McCain made a great strategic move. Does that mean I'm personally going to vote for McCain? No it doesn't.

Or do you just like hearing yourself talk?

Is there a way to verbally talk on here? :D

mean, seriously: what's your purpose here? I mean that sincerely. Because this is rapidly getting very, very old.

Political discussion and opinion. What's yours? Cheerleader I suspect.

by soyousay on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 08:02:18 AM EST
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Shorter version (2.00 / 1)

No, I won't let it.
Yes, I am, because I need to.
Yes, pretty much.
Not really, but what the hell, it amuses me.
No, I don't really care.
Yes, my words are pretty to read.
Propping up my self-esteem by acting important on a blog.

"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008

by BobzCat on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 10:20:26 AM EST
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simple (none / 0)

That's simple thinking. Good for you.

by soyousay on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 05:24:28 PM EST
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Re: simple (1.33 / 3)

I calls em as i sees em.

"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008

by BobzCat on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 12:21:29 AM EST
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Re: simple (none / 0)

So do I. You're simple minded.

by soyousay on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:11:23 AM EST
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Re: simple (1.50 / 4)

See, it's that kind of thing that makes you a classic internet troll. You can't be anything but insulting, every chance you get.

I do hope this activity makes you feel better about yourself. I suggest, though, that spending time outdoors will be much better for your self-esteem than sitting in a dark room at a computer, irritating people with the same old bitter comments day after day. Really, you should try it.

Now, you may have the last word.

"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008

by BobzCat on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:30:30 AM EST
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Re: simple (none / 0)

See, it's that kind of thing that makes you a classic internet troll.

You must be one too then.

by soyousay on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:47:35 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (none / 0)

To ragekage: Palin did not call Hillary a whiner. Read the transcript.

by hairspray on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:08:40 AM EST

Re: Palin: Hillary is a "whiner" (1.00 / 2)

Palin may have accused HRC of whining, but the Ozombies used every misogynistic, sexist, and race-baiting trick in the book against her. It is so sweet that HRC is your hero now.

Use the same scorched-earth strategy against Palin at your peril. The world is watching.

BTW, your BROs-before-HOs candidate will lose to McCain in November.

by trixta on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:44:07 AM EST

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