MyDD :: Hillary should become *SENATE* Majority Leader ASAP!

Hillary should become SENATE Majority Leader ASAP!

by nikkid, Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:26:36 PM EST

One way to combat the McCain/Palin ticket and the fact that they will syphon off some of the disgruntled Clinton supporters.

If Hillary was Senate Majority Leader - SOON - it would help bolster her position within the Democratic Party and she could speak out more boldly from a position of POWER right now.

The fact that Obama by-passed her for VP in some odd way shows the DEMOCRATS to be the sexists, not the Republicans.

But

If Hillary took on a power position RIGHT NOW as Senate Majority leader (say) - this would be history making and put her in a very powerful position to combat the issues of a McCain/Palin ticket that are trying to grab some of her voters.

If Hillary simply remains the Jr. Senator from NY - she can campaign for Obama - but her supporters will continue to be reminded of the fact that she was SNUBBED by Obama and the DNC leadership.

I also think IF McCain/Palin wins in Nov, it sets Hillary up to run and WIN in 2012. (It will probably be Hillary vs Palin).

IF Obama/Biden win in Nov, it will HELP them to have Hillary in this formidable role on THEIR side.

Listen, by choosing Palin, it's clear - it is STILL all about Hillary.

Update [2008-8-29 16:31:40 by nikkid]: I meant SENATE majority leader - sorry!!!

Tags: hillary clinton, obama, palin, mccain, vice president, senate (all tags)

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Well first (2.00 / 2)

she would have to get elected to the House.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:27:52 PM EST

Re: Well first (none / 0)

WTF?

OP said Senate Majority Leader

NOT

Speaker of the House

slow down and read a little.

If you had everything, where would you put it?

by wasanyonehurt on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:30:31 PM EST
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Re: Well first (2.00 / 1)

Sorry my bad

OP updated to Majority Leader after your post.

If you had everything, where would you put it?

by wasanyonehurt on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:33:40 PM EST
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Um (2.00 / 2)

"Hillary should become House Majority Leader ASAP!"

You don't like Steny Hoyer?

by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:28:56 PM EST

Re: Hillary should become House Majority Leader AS (none / 0)

While not a bad idea in order for it to happen Reid must retire and several senior Senators who are in line must step aside. Majority leader is a meritorious position arrived at by seniority and popularity. While she has the popularity she doesn't have the seniority.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:30:40 PM EST

Re: Hillary should become House Majority Leader AS (2.00 / 2)

wrong on the seniority part - LBJ, one of the most powerful Majority leaders was a freshman senator when elected to the post.

by swissffun on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:48:49 PM EST
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Re: Hillary should become House Majority Leader AS (2.00 / 2)

I stand corrected

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:00:42 PM EST
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question (2.00 / 1)

What is more important to you

1) that the Dems win the presidential election , or
2) Hillary's career prospects

by highgrade on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:33:57 PM EST

Hmmmm. (2.00 / 3)

The fact that Obama by-passed her for VP in some odd way shows the DEMOCRATS to be the sexists, not the Republicans.

Actually, it seems to me that the Republicans made a pick based on gender, while the Dems make a pick based on experience.

by 0td on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:35:22 PM EST

Re: Hmmmm. (2.00 / 3)

Um....I don't think we based our pick on experience, but instead change.

by Chelsea in 2020 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:40:56 PM EST
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Re: Hmmmm. (2.00 / 2)

No. Not based on gender. Based on pandering/politicking

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:41:00 PM EST
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Re: Hmmmm. (none / 0)

Whatever you want to call it. The point is that the unimaginably stupid meme of "if you don't support Our Girl, you are sexist" needs to die.

I am not a crook!

by username on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:56:00 PM EST
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Re: Hmmmm. (2.00 / 1)

Yes, exactly.

The remarkable thing about Hillary Clinton was that she came into the primaries as the front runner, despite her gender. She had already overcome that barrier on the day she announced her candidacy and the polls showed her the prohibitive favorite.

She did not lose because she was a woman any more than Obama won because he was black. Plain and simple, he out-messaged her. Hey, it happens!

The bigger deal to me is that she (and Obama) reached where they are through IDEAS and LEADERSHIP. Neither one of them is a token anything.

But the choice of Pallin for VP is pandering of the worst kind and takes us back to square one in the argument. I guess that's where the Republicans are positioned, so why not?

McCain really proved Obama's words true, didn't he? "It's not that McCain doesn't care, it's that he doesn't get it."

The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.

by mtnspirit on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:42:25 PM EST
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Re: Hillary should become Majority Leader ASAP! (none / 0)

What about Chief Justice Clinton? Next to President, no other rule, including vice-president would be fitting. Chief Justice would be the next best thing - of course, I can't imagine the confirmation hearings...

by bushsucks on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:39:25 PM EST

Won't happen (2.00 / 3)

It can't happen unless Roberts steps down, is impeached, or dies. The President can only nominate a new Chief Justice if that position is vacant. He can name a new Justice as Chief Justice, or elevate a sitting Associate Justice, if it's vacant.

If an Associate Justice (think Stevens) steps down/is impeached/dies, the President can only nominate a new Associate Justice.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:43:17 PM EST
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Re: Won't happen (none / 0)

my bad. That's true. Justice Clinton then. The difference between Chief Justice and an Associate is of no practical consequence.

by bushsucks on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:28:16 AM EST
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Re: Hillary should become *SENATE* Majority Leader (2.00 / 1)

You thought Hillary was in the House?

This is kind of, ummm....

Hard to rec anything by somebody who doesn't even know where the person she is advocating for works.

Pretty sad I might add.

Was going to Rec. but this is just a bit much.

House? Really?

Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!

by spacemanspiff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:39:52 PM EST

You know (none / 0)

I'm down with this, if she can work up the votes. Barack Obama is still in the Senate, and I would suggest that he imply he'd vote in favor of her.

Harry Reid should step down as Majority Leader so he can focus on keeping his ass in the Senate at all.

This could work.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:44:34 PM EST

Re: You know (2.00 / 2)

Honestly, the only people the dems are in danger of losing are those that would vote purely based on gender, Hillary is irrelevant as long as a woman is in the white house, Prez or VP, this would do nothing.

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:48:14 PM EST
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Re: You know (2.00 / 1)

you are out of touch.

by dtaylor2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:50:59 PM EST
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Hardly (1.66 / 3)

can you name one issue, and I mean issue a democratic voter could be swayed on by Palin that isnt relevant to her genitalia?

It was a cynical move by Mccain to attempt to get democratic women to switch over. I dont think for the most part it will work, but I am sure some will. Giving Hillary control over the Senate DOES ZERO for people that are purely voting on identity politics, because in their world, great, a woman is senate majority leader, and I would also like a woman in the white house. It is not a game of placation.

Not even considering the ludicrousness of believing that Obama has the power to complete trash party policy that has been there long before he was in the senate in terms of seniority and when votes even take place.

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:02:06 PM EST
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Re: Hardly (2.00 / 1)

Our candidate was actively disrespected by Obama. McCain made a historic decision many credit to be because of our candidate.

If it had been Hillary snubbing Obama as VP the GOP VP could easily have been black.

As such the issue isn't sexual organs.

You too are out of touch.

by dtaylor2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:08:19 PM EST
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Re: Hardly (2.00 / 2)

If it had been Hillary snubbing Obama as VP the GOP VP could easily have been black.

Yep. Imagine Clinton-Biden, and McCain picks ... Michael Steele? J.C. Watts?

I bet you'd be screaming "Shameless pander!". And you'd be right. I would be, too.

I certainly wouldn't be sniveling about "disrespect". Hint - primary candidates disrespect each other. That's how it works. If you don't see that they blatantly dispected each other then you are either clueless or possess an impressive ability to not see that which doesn't fit the way you desperately wish things were.

by Collideascope on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:17:27 PM EST
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That is the joke of it all (2.00 / 1)

African Americans vote 80-90% democratic no matter who the nominee is, picking a black running mate would do Mccain no good, he say a weakness in what has always been a strong base for dems, lets be clear, he is not going after republican women with this pick, and there is a HUGE reason why the name Hillary Clinton will be in every one of their speeches from here on out.

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:22:54 PM EST
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Re: Hardly (1.00 / 2)

I agree.

Imagine if hillary won, chose Biden and then McCain chose colin powell...you mean to tell me that AA's would not be PISSED and consider moving over to the McCain/Powell ticket? REgardless of the issues.

by nikkid on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:25:27 PM EST
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Re: Hardly (2.00 / 1)

If they did they would be behaving irrationally and immaturely. Like you.

by Cincinnatus on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:42:21 PM EST
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Re: Hardly (none / 0)

Some would, but those would have a small number of the new pool of brand new voters who were mobilized only by identity. It's not a huge number and while we can't make any assumptions with certainly, it's extremely likely that Obama would have been out there as Hillary is now, rallying those voters to stay with his party - the party that is genuinely in the best interest of those voters.

Something else to keep in mind is that the vast majority of AA voters were not immediately on the Obama bandwagon. When it was just a matter of identity politics Obama didn't have an easy task. We have considerable evidence that the bulk of the AA community puts party loyalty - and their genuine interests ahead of identity politics.

A drink whenever Palin makes a Well-argued, Semantically Intact, Logical and Lucid Argument -- or WASILLA for short.

by January 20 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:04:39 PM EST
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Re: Hardly (2.00 / 2)

My support for the notion of Hillary as Senate Majority Leader has nothing to do with Sarah Palin. I supported the idea months ago as a way to elevate Senator Clinton's actual position to where her stature was.

I still think it's a reasonable idea, if she can gin up the votes. That won't be easy, but it may be possible. Convince the other 49 of them that she'll be crackerjack at the job (she's shown considerable talent in the Senate, and an ability to work with the other side), and that having energetic and capable women leading both Houses of Congress would be an impressive set of optics, in addition to substantively good leadership.

I didn't want Hillary as our nominee. I'm glad she isn't. However, she can do a lot of good for the party and the country.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:10:15 PM EST
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Re: Hardly (2.00 / 1)

can you name one issue, and I mean issue a democratic voter could be swayed on by Palin that isnt relevant to her genitalia?

Well, gender is clearly a big part of it, but I can think of several additional issues that might be appealing to a lot of undecided voters (including Democrats who are not enthusiastic about Obama, independents, and moderate Republicans):

* Having somebody who appears to be an outsider rather than a Washington insider like the other three people Pres and VP candidates

* Having somebody who has executive rather than just legislative experience

* Having somebody who has bucked her own party elite in her state and won

* Having somebody with a very folks personal background

* Having somebody who has a background in energy issues and has fought for more drilling (regrettably, a considerable number of Dems support more drilling)

* Somebody who is a westerner with Idaho/Alaska roots (may have some appeal in Rocky Mountain states)

* Somebody who strongly supports gun rights (again, a considerable number of Dems suport gun rights).

Does Palin have weaknesses? Sure, plenty of them. But I was just answering your question about what some people might see as her appeal besides her gender.

by markjay on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:22:54 PM EST
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I agree (except for all the crazy punctuation) (2.00 / 2)

I would really like Hillary as Majority Leader (if she governed as the populist and not the DLC hawk), but I'm not sure we need to do it "RIGHT NOW!!!!!!1111!!!one". There has been some talk that Ried will step down soon and maybe she could step in then (or she could play a 'Ted Kennedy-esque' sort of role as a mover and shaker).

"In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -Barack Obama

by blueAZ on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:50:02 PM EST

Re: I agree (except for all the crazy punctuation) (none / 0)

Thats right all the positions of power or influence will be Hillary's one day.....maybe

by dtaylor2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:51:46 PM EST
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*SENATE* Majority Leader (2.00 / 1)

It's not like they are going to shake up the leadership of the senate before the election. This is a moot point, not that she'd be bad as majority leader, just that there is no way it is going to happen in time to make a difference.

Hillary will have plenty of time to advance in the senate, but I suspect not until after the beginning of the next congress.

by Why Not on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:50:09 PM EST

She might indeed, but Obama can't make her... (2.00 / 1)

Sure, Harry, take on for the team?

Right, Obama panics, and does this, and this shows what about him?

Nope, people like Nikkid, this was the master stroke from the McCain folks, there is nothing they can do for Hillary, except announce she is in charge of Health Care.

Which, in the senate, she will be already.

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:54:57 PM EST

Obama couldnt pick her (2.00 / 1)

because of all the videotape of her criticizing him. I really wanted him to pick her because i campaigned for hillary. But it's the same reason why McCain didnt pick Romney. Because there's too much videotape that would be used by the Dems.

Your accusations of sexism are disgusting, considering Obama had 4 women on his VP shortlist, who actually got vetted: Napolitano, Snowe, Sebelius, Hillary

by iamold on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:09:21 PM EST

Re: Obama couldnt pick her (none / 0)

OMG he head faked a female VP what a progressive...

No Hillary no benefit of the doubt.

by dtaylor2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:17:12 PM EST
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What a detriment to the cause of Feminism (2.00 / 1)

your logic is.

by iamold on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:29:14 PM EST
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Re: Obama couldnt pick her (2.00 / 1)

make it 3... Hillary was not vetted for VP. We all know that now, there are just various rumors as to if this was Clintons choice or Obamas.

by njc2b5 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:20:39 PM EST
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She was vetted during the primaries (2.00 / 1)

her husband refused to be vetted. Republicans were going to make an issue of that.

I was a hillary hold out too, but Biden was always one of my favorite senators for what he did for women's rights.

And I have a friend who recently was killed by an IED in Afghanistan. My brother and sister are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. Honestly? I would like them home. If mcCain drops dead I dont trust Palin to bring them home. She looks like she will be influenced by the neo-cons. She didnt even have a position on Iraq last year.

I always admired Hillary for her independent thinking.

by iamold on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:32:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama couldnt pick her (none / 0)

FYI: Biden also criticized Obama. It's already been replayed by rebublicans.

by soyousay on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:16:53 PM EST
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yeah, but out of all the other picks (none / 0)

he had the least amount of videotape.

by iamold on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:27:28 PM EST
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Re: yeah, but out of all the other picks (1.00 / 2)

Cause no one was listening to him.

by dtaylor2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:50:11 PM EST
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Heh heh...Clinton IS needed (none / 0)

If McCain/Palin win, Palin will have made history. As VP, she will most likely run for Prez. Clinton will no longer be a phenomenon. Clinton could help Obama during the next couple of months to keep this from happening. I'm sure she'll ask "what's in it for me?"

by soyousay on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:47:59 PM EST

1sts dont make history. (2.00 / 1)

what will she do to make history is the question. Hillary made history for 35 years.

by iamold on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:28:26 PM EST
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Re: 1sts dont make history. (none / 0)

Stop playing dumb.

by soyousay on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:03:13 PM EST
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Re: Heh heh...Clinton IS needed (2.00 / 1)

All that blood and treasure we're sinking into the sands of Iraq? Fuck it -- this is about Our Girl's political career!

You people desperately need to develop some perspective.

I am not a crook!

by username on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:59:49 PM EST
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Re: Heh heh...Clinton IS needed (none / 0)

So now it's "Our Girl's political career!" It's amazing how all of a sudden Clinton is feeling the love.

by soyousay on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:05:42 PM EST
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Re: Heh heh...Clinton IS needed (none / 0)

Perhaps you missed the sarcasm...

I am not a crook!

by username on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:33:16 AM EST
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Re: Heh heh...Clinton IS needed (none / 0)

I guess I did. It's difficult to see when there's so much flip flopping going on here.

by soyousay on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 07:49:44 AM EST
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